@essntl i think the thread is great! feels like it hasnt been any actual dialogue on here in so long.
now back to the nas thing. im a fan, i love this nigga. i, and others agree, that he just doesnt make the best overall decisions when it comes to songs sometimes. while all of this is subjective, sometimes i just look at the voice as an instrument and many rappers dont put that instrument in a smooth spot on these beats. on this same lost tapes album, he has a song called you mean the world to me where i believe is a perfect example of nas being in his bag. he picked a cool beat, his voice matched the tone of the instrumental and its a concept that feels in tune of the space the beat lives in. again, all subjective, but thats what that vernon shit lacked. he just being aggressive over this beat that sounds like someone just hanging out. not comparing at all but thats something 50 cent knew how to turn on and off. he wasnt gonna spit whats up gangsta over 21 questions ha. i love nas. but i may be bias and be listening to something different than everyone else, and his vocals may fit with the beat perfectly. all subjectiveeeeeee. and the 25 year vet thing has its pros and cons. i mean, 444 by jay had jay using pockets and flows that seemed new for him.( i think he fully leaned into a world where he toyed with on a few random verses if that makes sense. those pockets on the 444 song are wild, very jazz) pharrell been doing this for almost as long as ive been alive and is still trying to find new ways to bring sound together. kanye is a vet and is still trying new shit. the other side of that is, after doing something for so long, you end up having a base/core/root way of approaching stuff. not many people go at things theyve been doing for soooo long in a different way. so if rap lyrical myrical ( im gonna stop using that as a term because its dismissive to the art of rap im speaking on) is all nas knows, then thats all he knows and i cant fully fault him for that. BUT! im only on his case right now because 1. im a fan 2. hes proved many of times he knows when its a time and a place. i may be speaking from a lack of consistency he holds. i hope im making sense
and thanks for you kind words and good wishes, i appreciate that. i remember early on hating the wu tang thing, i fucking hated it. i was a lil boy when they were prominent figures at the time and i didnt live in a household where it was played so, it wasnt in my world. the comparisons boiled my blood. putting myself 30,000 up i can now appreciate the notion people were trying to make haha. and i wonder what the people who were against that in 2010/11 are thinking now. prolyl leaving youtube comments lmfaoooo. i hope they realize its a place for playboi carti and nas in this world. sometimes those guys remind me of trump supporters with the "get out of here real hip hop only" tangents. im going of ftopic now but man its been dead as fuck on this fourm, good convo and i had time to kill this morning. excuse my typos.